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David Fishof : Founder of Rock ‘n’ Roll Fantasy Camp
Whether he’s producing a tour, assembling an All-Starr band with Ringo Starr, or writing a best-selling book, there’s one thing David Fishof is always doing: dreaming. Hailed as one of the most creative and innovative entertainment producers in the world, David has been responsible for some of the most original, successful, and exciting live shows ever brought to the stage. But of all the shows he’s put on over his 40-plus year career, there’s one production that stands out from all the rest: Rock ‘n’ Roll Fantasy Camp.
A!er years of good fortune working with veteran rockers like Roger Daltrey, Ringo Starr, The Monkees, Levon Helm, Joe Walsh, Jack Bruce and Peter Frampton, David decided it was time to share his experiences with rock fans around the world. And so, in 1997, he debuted the rock camp—a place where people from all walks of life can reconnect with their passion for music alongside the most famous names in the business.
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Marlana: Whether he's producing a tour, assembling an all-star band with Ringo Starr, or writing a bestselling book, there's one thing David Fishof is always doing dreaming. Hailed as one of the most creative and innovative entertainment producers in the world, David has been responsible for some of the most original successful and exciting live shows ever brought to the stage. But of all the shows he's produced over his 40 years plus career, there's one production that stands out from all the rest, Rock and Roll Fantasy Camp. Welcome, David!
David: Thank you. Thanks so much for having me. You know, I think we were talking in the beginning about bucket list. That’s all I do all day is I get people their bucket lists. Go to Rock and Roll Fantasy Camp. It's the ultimate bucket list. You can jam with, Slash, Roger Daltrey, you name it…so I'm giving everyone their bucket list. And I'm trying to think in the last two seconds, what would be my bucket list? The irony is that people think they know what's on my bucket list. So, guy invited me to, he was so thankful to go to Rock Roll fantasy camp. He's been a friend for many years, I want to take you to Michael Jordan fantasy camp. Wouldn't that be cool David and give me your fantasy? They know I love basketball. And I said, I'm not going on Michael Jordan fantasy basketball camp, and they said why? I'm not going to look like an idiot. Try to beat him one on one or with these two other guys. And I realized that as much as people have their bucket list, people are scared for the bucket list. Because yeah, I have that a rock and roll events, again, people, initially, the wife buys it for the husband. And then the husband gets really nervous. She knows that his whole life, he’s a guitarist, like, he wants to play with Joe Perry. He's dreaming of it. Now all of a sudden actually gets the opportunity to do it. And she calls up a week before for him. His mother has cancer, his father has cancer. His guitar has cancer, you know. I mean, they throw that word around, it's terrible…let me talk to him. And then you talk them off the ledge, and they come through this rock camp. And they get more than their bucket list…a bucket list is something you do once, and The Rock Roll fans can come again. So, it's more of a, you do it once but then now you’re addicted, you want to start playing in a band, you start writing music, you want to start doing this and you're able to climb that mountain. So, it's just interesting for our opening conversation in the light that you explained to me. And I guess we'll save it to the end. But yeah, that’ll give me a good half hour to think about what my bucket list would be. Because I have bucket lists. I do. I don't stop. I do them.
Marlana: And here's the thing. When I was first starting in my photography career, there are only two places that I wanted to work. One of them was Rolling Stone. And instead of Rolling Stone, I climbed on a tour bus with professional wrestling. So, tell me what I missed by not climbing on the rock'n'roll tour bus. What was that like?
David: You missed a lot of drugs, sex, and rock and roll. So, you really didn't miss much. You probably have a family now like, no, let me tell you. So, I didn't go through that. I'm 10 years younger than and Ringo is 81, I'm 65. So, even the guys from the Turtles and The Grassroots and The Monkeys., they're on the radios now the 79-80s. So, I was 15 years younger. I didn't live that life with them. I met most of these rock stars when they were clean and sober, so, I didn't, and I never lived on the bus. I tried; I couldn't sleep on the bus. But there was heavy partying, I'm reading the Led Zeppelin book because I wanna learn what I missed. But I gotta tell you, I am a father to five amazing kids, I have eight grandchildren, I have a lovely wife, and I gotta tell you, my kids, they go from ages 14, 15 Now to 42 So, you know, with different wives. But I have to tell you that in the end, I love what I have versus people who went on the road and thinks they had. They had a party life, but I think they missed a family. So, I had to get off the road. I love doing home work now. In the first time I was younger on the road with Ringo, and even when I wasn't on the road, I was always thinking about my artists, my client, my athletes. So, I was trying to manage them. They were having lunch and we're talking about… you know, I say I'm home now, I'm available. He says you're right; he says you know the years we were home even though we were home, we will still be worrying that we're getting a phone call from the artist or the athlete. You know, I’m here in *Iowa*, I'm in North Raleigh, North Carolina, there's no catering, what I’m dressing. Oh, you’re always waiting for that call. And so, you really weren't there. So, when your kid came over to you and said something to you? Yeah, sure! Sure! Sure! Sure! Yeah, I'll do it. Don't worry. But now I'm present that was the word…present. Now I'm present. My grandson calls the other day and says, Can you help me with my homework? I said, Sure. Be glad to. Send it over. Let's go over it. And then last night, I went to a basketball game, and we're studying in the car. This is the things that by going on the road and being involved in the rock'n'roll world, and 24/7, you didn't miss much. I will tell you; I think I need the rockers that are living today, look back at those days and say, You know what? I was stupid. But yeah, here's the other side, how many amazing songs were written under the influence of all those drugs, trade off, and on tour buses, those experiences, and whether it's Grand Funk, ‘We're an American Band', that talking about Sweet Connie, and they’ve been on the road, so the road was great material to write all these amazing songs. And so, I tell you, the ones who are alive today, they're alive to tell the stories of what happened. God bless them, to see McCartney at 80 and Jagger, 80 and Ringo, 80 and they're still touring and working. So, it’s conflicted. I can go on and on, because it's a great subject.
Marlana: Yeah. So how did you start to make all these connections?
David: What happened was, I started the capsules. And I'm just now reading Bill Graham's book because he was my idol. And I decided I'm going to reread it and, I didn't realize how many similarities that him and I had. He was an actual Holocaust survivor. He didn't go through the concentration camps. But Graham, little background for your listeners is, was the number one rock and roll promoter who started the Fillmore East and the Fillmore West. He opened up the doors for all these bands to perform, moved out to San Francisco, created Bill Graham Presents, built the original amphitheaters, the theaters, the clubs, and he controlled that market. And then he put the Rolling Stones on the road, Grateful Dead. And so, he was our big promoter unfortunately passed away. He was going from gig to gig, and you can't just go in a car, you're going to helicopter, and the helicopter crashed. And so sorry! You lost a great man. He did a lot of benefits, a lot of charities. Not only was he into promoting concerts and building a business, but he did a lot of charity work, a lot of those charity concerts, Live Aid. That was Bill Graham. And if he found the cause he would get everybody together and say, Hey, we're a business, we take money from the public, we got to give back. And so, I'm reading his book. And similarly, he was a waiter in the Catskills like I was, but I knew he was, but I didn't realize to the extent in the book, but I started in the Catskills and what happened was that you're a waiter in the Catskills. That's what you did, and the Catskills is a very interesting place. Many of you have seen Dirty Dancing.
Marlana: I’m just gonna say when I first heard this part of your story, I remember thinking to myself, Oh my gosh! He's Dirty Dancing!
David: It's Dirty Dancing. That's what it is. But let me give a little background. The hotels were places that were two hours out of New York City, and they were so many people in that area who would go up to vacation the summer, for a week, two weeks, three weeks, a weekend? And you went to these hotels, hundreds of hotels were there. And for, I don't know, let's say today's market less than $100 a day. They fed you three meals a day. And these are big meals, and I was aware of that, so you wanted to stuff your people - Hey, try this, eat this, this is putting food in front of you. Like they hated when they said don't sell the food. I'd sell the food all the time. Why? Because they would check in on Sunday, the following Sunday to check out. I really waited…and we worked on tips. So, I'd want them to give me a big tip. It was a great way there. The average tip is $5 a week..let’s give this guy it… $10 He took great care of us. He got us to steak when it was rare. You know, he took care of us, so we’re selling the food now, do you three meals a day now. On top of three meals a day you have a tea room, so, if in case you woke up early and you're hungry, you wanted a Danish and a cup of coffee, you would go to the tea room and then you went to breakfast and you know anything on the menu was there, but afterwards you'd see people walking out of the dining room with napkins, with a bread in it and the cakes and it was called for later food because in case they got a little hungry before lunch, they'd have food for later. And then after for later food, they didn't realize that tearoom was open again after breakfast, so, if you're hungry, get more fresh Danish and more cakes and then you had lunch. Lunch was you get everything was on the menu at junior's lunch, but in case you didn't feel too hungry before dinner, then the tearoom was always open again. And then you would go to dinner and these people would go to dinner and they would order dinner. They would order food like a side. You know I don't want a whole chicken… just give me a side of chicken and give me a side of roast beef, a side of lamb. Take the hamburger I don't need the fries, and everything was a side, and let's say bring it on a side of a cow. Just put the cow on the table and don't start eating. I mean, these people ate. Now they have to go to the show, they were given a comic and they were given a singer every night at 10:30. The singer got up there to perform, the comic got up there to perform. Now you can imagine it's one thing to sing songs, but can you imagine if you have to entertain these people as a comedian…first of all, they're afraid to laugh. They got all the food in them. They didn't pay for the show, that's a big thing, they didn't pay. So, they're sitting behind and looking up at us. Okay, I dare you to make me laugh….so now these comics had to come out. And they had to come out with a funniest stuff that crushed it. So that's why the greatest comics came out of the Catskills. Whether it was David Brenner, or whether it was Richard Beltzer, or any young man or Jan Murray and Chuck Carter, and you name it, they all started. All these great comics started in the Catskills because they had to entertain an audience. It didn't pay for it. If you got a comedy store, you're expecting comedy. You go to a show and to go to see a comic comedian in the theatre. You paid a ticket, you're gonna laugh at everything he says, Hey, you're not Shadow. These guys said, so a guy would come out and say, I had a really tough day today. I went to the dentist, and I had to take a tooth out. And all of a sudden you hear five Chiclets gonna come out of his mouth, I really just do funny stuff….that’s how I started in the caskets. What I learned in the Catskills was a lot, I went to work for a booking agency, and the booking agency used to go to the comedians. They would say to them, and a singer say, Listen, from Memorial Day to Labor Day, we're going to give you a guarantee of 50 shows, we might book you at a bar mitzvah, we might book you what a bundle…might book you to be the headlining act that the Concorde hotel, you're gonna get 50 shows unless you're going to work at a beach club, whatever it is, and they control the talent. And then they will go sell the talent to these different places. And then you have to worry call up are you available? not available? They know. They have the schedule. So, when I learned that part of the business is packaging, how you buy the talent, and you package. So, years later, when I created my Happy Together Tour, my Ringo Starr and The All-Star Band tour, and Dirty Dancing and Beta Go Live tour, and I did a lot of back to back, I really took that out of the Catskill model. The other thing I took out of the Catskill model was, you have to entertain people, and you can only give hit songs. …I hate going to a concert and seeing artists. ‘Oh, here's a new song for my album just coming out next week.' I tell every artist that's the bathroom break. Yeah, no, no, don't use live… I followed artists; I’m going to close the show with a song I love. I may not. You got to close with a hit so we can sell merchandise, people got to walk out in their feelings. and I learned that in the mountains. So, there's a lot of lessons that I was able to pick up by booking act in the Catskills and, packaging I would say…
Marlana: So, then how did the whole idea of rock and roll fantasy camp, where did that stem from?
David: Here I was in the Catskills, and I went on to represent baseball players and I started records. I met ballplayers and as you'll see in the movie, I pick up a bunch of athletes, and from there, I came up with the idea to do a baseball camp and Lou Piniella, and I went to camp. As a kid, every Jewish kid in the east coast was sent to camp. You came, I won. Goodbye, kid, you're gone for eight weeks, we'll see you it's time for mom and dad to travel. You've got to camp. Oh, we need a break too. And it's so funny because I send my kids to camp…and they love it. By the way, they can't wait to go. But I really didn't want to go, I don't want to be separated my parents, I hated it. My brother worked the kitchen, so, I was able to run in there every five minutes and get something from him. And don't worry, Mom's gonna be okay, that's okay. Just go have fun. So, I got to like camp, and I was on tour with Ringo, and all-star band. And as you see in the movie, they played this crazy joke on me. After the fourth show, and Joe was to leave on him pull a prank on me and get the movie, you'll see it. It's funny. I was able to have the privilege to travel with all these incredible rock stars. And I saw how much fun they were having, it’s different when they're on tour with their bands, because then it’s competition within the band. That one musician doesn't like another musician because they didn't get you stole half my song, I didn't get credit for it, used to date my ex-girlfriend, there’s normal stuff he stole from me, whatever it is this, right? This tour with Ringo,…was unbelievable, because it was something people said will never happen. But you took band leaders from the band, from the Eagles, and you put all these people on one plane. And you said get along, and now they get along. It was incredible. They became artistic, they were able to go on tour and just enjoy themselves and come back to their friends and not worry that the other musician was… It was really an unbelievable feeling, and I said to myself, if I could give this feeling that we're having here to the average Joe, and fan, and musician, and experience it, it was incredible, and I have to tell you, it is incredible. I mean, going to rock romance again, it's just… I hear it every day. I mean, it's just unbelievable email, a comment for somebody to change lives. And why am I so enthusiastic, still 65 and loving working and don't want to quit? I'm changing lives every day to the power of music, and people are just getting an experience that they can't get anywhere else in the world. Yeah, people try to replicate it. But my goal is, I try to treat them…I treat them all like campers, they like the Ringo Starrs. Like they’re celebrities because it's all about them. I tell my celebrity rockers, listen, it's not about you. Come to my camp, mentor these people, teach them, give them the knowledge. But let's make it about them. And because when you give, it's better than to receive and what happened in the end here now it's 25 years or 26 years, the rock star who knew that they would say this thing is cool. I love this thing. If I had this thing 50 years ago, where I could go sit with the Beatles and talk to them about my career. Or if I could sit and talk with Mick and Keith and the latest generation and get knowledge and contacts, what the reason I've been able to be in business for 26 years is because the Rockstar, they love the game and if they didn't like it, it wouldn't work. So, what happens is by Nancy Wilson, the GM and took me a lot of years, 10 years to get her to come because managers, lawyers, and the only reason they've come is they start hearing from another rocker ‘Hey, you know you should do this, this is great.’ What's his name? From Aerosmith, Steven Tyler, said it to Slash, 'you should try this thing.’ And you know if that's the way, it can work, the word of mouth and the artists and it's been really amazing to Roger Daltrey doing it seven times and to see Gene Simmons returning and I have camps coming out with Joe Perry, his fourth camp and I mean, Joe Perry doesn't need to do rock and roll fantasy. He gets something out of it. Dave Mustaine is one of probably the greatest guitar players in the world. And he leads his band Megadeth and sells out arenas and stadiums and goes around the world stadiums and then he comes in, he works with these people, and you come to realize that they're getting something out of it awesome.
Marlana: So how did you convince the first Rock Star to come?
David: People think the pictures. No! Let me tell you what happened. And I was doing this before there was a thing called meet and greets. I was doing this before any of these boxes that says never met people. They were not meet people, I toured, and I'm telling you, we went out the door that minute that last song was on, we were leaving that Amphitheatre, we were gone. And if you gave anyone a backstage pass, if you got a backstage pass from an artist, you knew they didn't really like it, because they knew they weren't gonna be there. Oh, so I'm sorry, the band, my friend comes tell the band laughs the real people that want to get the pass and before the show, and now they're even so he knows. But those are when we really get the visit. But what happened was that, so rock stars never really met people. I remember watching an Oprah show one day and she's doing a country all share the country on the ship keep ever been on she had hoody. And she has the key there. And the question was the first rock concert he went to, and I went to see Aerosmith. He said, And now tell me, do you ever engage with your fans? He said, My fans, I love a five o'clock, they come out to my bus, I hug them, I kiss them, I show my bus. I love my fans, it's our Dunedin meet Steven Tyler, so the rockers are getting on the plane to get to the next city and live on buses. And the last thing they want to deal with is meet people because, they have to get the next gig and it's just different mentality. So that's what I thought that I would give this to, that’s why I figured rock and roll fantasy, but it’s been experience where people get to see these people.
Marlana: love it. So, tell me one of your favorite stories from the camp?
David: Oh! Well, if you see the movie, I have. And there were four stories, we could have done 1000 stories, every camper has a story. I have so many favorite stories, but I like to, I'm able to do charity work and invite people and so I decided to call someone the Susan Komen Foundation. I said, I'm doing a camp with meatloaf and, be honored to send somebody likes music. And the lady said, Pick the random phone. And then she said, I have the perfect person for you. And we have a lady who's really bad shape. And she explained that much. I said violet, that'd be my guess. She comes to camp; she had a wig on. And she is jamming with meatloaf. She's having the greatest time and things like that. She leaves camp and she writes a book called rocking in the pink. And she puts a whole few chapter in there about her experience of go to rock'n'roll fantasy again, and how it made her feel better. And the doctor said, your cancer is going away. And it really worked. I guess what she did was she calmed down and she just had the experience of a lifetime. And she left and she went to record a song. And maybe I don't know how she got it. But it didn't chart on a billboard. And those charts are 100 songs. So, if you get your whole family to buy those days, you can actually get a song to chart. And I brought her on, she did it anyways but went to a local radio station. So, I called her up I said, we’re doing this movie and I loved your book and your story, and I sit in you would come into an interview, she comes in does an interview. And it goes to his professional interview, and then I just throw out a question. And so, when you left camp, did you get depressed because I think it is such a high at this camp. And then you got to go back to your job on Monday morning? She says no, David. I decided after doing your camp, I want to quit being a lawyer. And I am never going to write another legal brief again. And I'm going to live my dream of being a fiction writer, I'm going to change my name because my last book of the show like cancer, and this book is going to change my name to autumn row. And David today I've sold 14 bestsellers on Amazon and throughout the world. And the number one, fiction writer on Amazon and Spain and everything like that. She said, What I learned from me camp was I took away that to be authentic. And the one thing I learned from all these rockstars was their authentic and that they had a decision to make when they were coming out of high school in college and, arguing with their parents, the parents say Oh, you got to go get a real job. And that was a no I'm going to do what I want to do. I'm going to be authentic to myself. And that's what I learned, that's when I decided, then I learned the passion when I saw how much passion these people had. So, there's so much you can learn from rock stars. And I wrote a book 10 years ago Go Rocking. You know what the rocky business because I decided that you can learn from these artists, these brands. Look at Mick Jagger, he's Grossing over $10 million a night. He's still working and he's dancing there and Keith Richard that on the keeping them up, but the Rolling Stones brand is so big, the kiss brand, The Beatles, even Led Zeppelin brand, that these people have been able to keep the doors, they've been able to keep their brands a lot, current and active and better than Kodak, better than how many companies you can think of 50 years ago that aren't even around today. So, there's something to be learned from these rockers who was still selling out tours, still selling out arenas, still selling records, even though it might be the old records. There's a lot there and they're very smart. And they've learned a lot. And the ones that are around today, they're businessmen, Mick Jagger went to London School of Economics, he's no dummy. He's done an amazing job keeping his brand. So, you have to go, “oh! What can I learn from a rockstar?” Let me tell you something, you can learn a lot from these people.
Marlana: Is there anybody that hasn't done the camp that you would like to see do the camp?
David: Well! That’s Nick and Keith did that the Simpsons episode, and that really propelled the brand. So, they did their part for rock'n'roll Fantasy camp. So, I really appreciate that. And so, Tom Petty things like that. Yes! Listen, I have two people that I thought would be amazing, three I mean, I can think of tuns of them. And Paul McCartney, to me is, he's my ideal musician. and I think any of my chances of having him or a Jimmy Page are I think today with the COVID mindset have killed everyone getting close to each other and things like that. But there are gonna be a lot of great stars. I think once they start seeing the movie, because I'm noticing now that once these rockers have been seeing Rock Camp the movie, then they want to do the camp. So yeah, Paul McCartney is definitely my idol.
Marlana: And so, what do you think has been the best thing to come out of this camp?
David: Oh! That's a great question. Well, I tell you is really seeing the wife call me up and say My husband doesn't have a road rage to have the baby lady’s autumn row write books, to see all these campers put bands together with their friends to find their passion back in their lives. Yeah, I love Tell us about Joe Perry, who interviews he does a Q&A camp, and a guy says, “Joe, can I ask you about this record innocence? Hold on. Let me ask you something. Where you from? guy “from Boston” and said, “What do you do for a living, somewhat lawyer?” And he says to him, “and then what else do you do?” “So, on the weekends, I play guitar with my band.” And he turns to the guy says, “you're full of crap”. He says you're a musician, first says you do that legal BS to buy yourself a guitar. Yeah, yeah, that's me. So, what the camp has done is, it's really brought out people been holding in their experience, their childhood, whether it's a song, whether it's a dream to play a guitar or an instrument, whether they've been in a band, and then you just see the life-changing experience they go through and the stories I like 100 of them. I remember walking Roger Daltrey around the Gibson studios in New York, and a guy was sitting there writing the lyrics to a song. And the guys said, “What's your name” *** didn't recognize Roger. Most time people don't recognize these rock stars. the shorter you think they're tall, the shorter the tall, eight feet tall in their mind. they're wearing a baseball hat. I mean, look, a Mickey's trout walking around, finding no one's even I find again, in all these cities, he is posting these pictures. So, he doesn't know Roger George is next to me. And I said, “Tell me what you're doing swell.” You know, “I came to Camp because my son was killed that he was a drunk driver, and he killed his friend. He and him they were in the car, and I haven't been able to sleep. And I haven't been able to live my life the last eight years. I'm so upset, and things like that. So, I came here, maybe I can find happiness here”. And he said, “I'm writing a song dedicated to my son and his friend and I want to write the song in the band while they're in the other room writing the lyrics. And Roger listen so and then all of a sudden Roger walk into the room about two hours later today, “hey guys, what song do you want to do, which was on these learn?” And The guy says, “oh, Roger, you were the guy in the room?” Yeah, he's come over here, give me a hug. Roger hugs him. It must have been for four hours, this five minute hug. He kept saying, “Let go. Let go. You've done everything. You can just let go. And give me that song. I want to sing it with you. And then I'll sing it with you tomorrow night at BB kings.” And he just had some Wow, he just took this guy's lies, and he just saved his life. I mean, of all the rock stars, you can tell me he's probably the greatest all of them. He's been knighted for his charity work with TKS American is credible person and charity work. But to see this person, and they come to camp because oh, I want to be a rock star, but they don't realize the median DVS you're going to meet the rock. So, you're going to jam with them. But the life that they go through one guy will start Oracle. He says, “I learned to listen at camp, I learned a lesson.” So, because that's a big lesson to be in a band, you got to listen, hey, walks into Rome. He said, so the rock star is no, I want to do the song, Rosas Excuse me, sir. But if we're going to do the song, I got to teach it to everybody here. So, you got to have patience. And so, you learn a lot, and I'm not a musician. I'm trying, I'm terrible, I try to dabble this that, I'm terrible. But to learn from these pros, and how they teach and mentor these people, and then they walk rock away. I know one guy never sang before in a band, never was in a band. He bought this as a charity benefit bond as a prize of Joe benefit. And he comes together, and he wants to be a vocalist. Guy comes into a band never sang with the band, always want to dose this drink. By tiny luck can't be recruited some of these rock stars join him in a band called Banc (BANC). It's a song about a band that only works charity events, and they raise millions of dollars for charity events. They did a gig last week, and I saw a guy. He's got a house and Calgary's, got a house and feed. The guy's got so many houses. He's so wealthy, you know what Nothing's making him happy as making music for charity. So, people find their happiness and what greater thing is greater? what greater job could you have than giving people dream?
Marlana: I love that, that’s such a gift!
David: yeah, that’s a gift, it really is. But people take away their life you know!